Welcome, 'lissa
(Please ignore those who come here only to practice something almost entirely but not quite completely unlike compassion and clear thinking.)
~Merry
i got disfelowshiped when i divorced my husband and altho we both went on to have relationships with other people he didn't get disfelowshiped as he wasn't going to meetings.
we have since then got back together and i find it so frustrating that i still get treated like a leper being shunned by his family and all the other witnesses but he still gets invited to dinner and works with them.
i don't want to be best buddys with any of them i just hate it when they cross the road to avoid me .
Welcome, 'lissa
(Please ignore those who come here only to practice something almost entirely but not quite completely unlike compassion and clear thinking.)
~Merry
warning: some sites you will find are extremely graphic.
i came across this site this morning looking for a christian artist.
i'm beside myself with grief for these children.
The key to cultural maturity is in education and critically who is excluded from it.
Those were some very good points you presented, Qcumber! and education is something I very much support. Thank you for sharing your views on this. I find them alot more helpful than blanket condemnations that confuse the issues.
I know you weren't singling out Islam, Hillary-not-running-for-President.
In the interests of promoting the education of adults in regard to children in Islam, this was produced in 2005 by Al-Azhar University and UNICEF in Egypt--Children In Islam Their Care, Development and Protection. What I linked to is not the entire document which was written in Arabic, but an English summary.
And a quick note on Prisoners of War-- http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/politics/System/article05.shtml
In regard to women in Islam, sweetstuff, I will link to this article (for any who wish to question what websites with an anti-Islamic agenda proclaim)--Women's Position, Role, and Rights in Islam. Here is a brief quote:
In this paper I argue that the position of women in Islam in theory, that is, according to the Qur'an and Hadiths (tradition) of the Prophet, differs vastly from Islam in practice. It is not the Islamic ideologies that determine the position of women in the Islamic societies, it is rather the pre-Islamic patriarchal ideologies existing in a particular society, combined with the lack of education and ignorance, that construct the Muslim women's position.
I also wish to make clear that if a hadith (transmitted saying of the Prophet) goes against the Qur'an, it cannot be accepted as legitimate, and if one has a fairly good grasp of the whole body of the Qur'an and Sunnah (transmitted life and sayings of the Prophet) or at least their essential message, it is not that all that difficult to determine which beliefs and behaviours are Islamic and which are not (IMO).
Sadly, there are both Muslims and non-Muslims who seem to have a vested interested in seeing and portraying Islam as something it is not. I strive (make jihad) against both, first through making jihad against my own worst tendencies, and then through working to educate myself and encouraging others in like manner.
Whatever perspective we are coming from, I would like for all of us to take off our "blinders". Positive change and useful dialogue is not likely until then. But it's a process, and a very challenging one at that. I hope never to give up on it.
~Merry
warning: some sites you will find are extremely graphic.
i came across this site this morning looking for a christian artist.
i'm beside myself with grief for these children.
This is truly horrendous!!! I am sickened and angered beyond belief.
And I want you to know that however primitive and barbaric you may have been led to believe Islam is, it does not teach nor condone such behaviour, not against children and not against adults, not against Muslims and not against non-Muslims, not against orphans and not against captives of war.
~Merry
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
I'm afraid this thread has become much too nice and will have to be shut down.
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
LOL
don't worry, I've heard it all before
here's hoping you saved the thread...although that last bit kind of ruined the sexism
~Merry
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
dear lady friends,.
i'm massively naif when it comes to the ways of the world.
and 40 years a wta has not given me a great sense of what's real: crazy rules and regs on "appropriate behavior.".
What's this about holding doors for women? I've always thought it proper to hold the door for anyone behind me, regardless if they're a man or a woman. Am I the only one?
No. I think the same way...and eventually people stopped looking at me funny for holding the door and now I see everyone doing it. I like to think of myself (and you too, John Doe) as a trendsetter
~Merry
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
I hope that we are all growing and grabbing at every chance for positive change and self-improvement, however we started, and I like to think we are. Thank you for your kind words and praise, CHL.
I think it is great we can have this kind of discussion from every kind of viewpoint.Cheers to everyone! You all make me think harder and look deeper, and I like that.
~M.
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
Stop, stop, I can't breathe!!!
You, sir, are a gentleman and a scoundrel!
...and that's not my hand...
~Merry
dress to impress, get all slathered up and have your little or lots of flesh showing, depending on your blouse, skirt, pants or shorts....that people(men) are not supposed to stare at you?.
seriously, if your at home in your closet deciding which outfit you're gonna wear to work, school or out to play, and thinking how you'll look more attractive in this or that....do you not know that guys are gonna stare at you?
but you see these females on occasion that will get all in an uproar when some guy is staring at them....but hello...didn't you choose with pin-point accuracy, the exact top that's gonna reveal your cleavage at it's fullest?????
Not that it matters, but I just felt like saying, I feel a certain appreciation for what coolhandluke has been saying as well as the way it has been said. Wanderlustguy is totally cracking me up. And everyone's input on this fascinates me, not only what they say but how they are saying it. I wonder how/when it will end...
~Merry